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Huh. New York actually passed gay marriage legislation. Go figure!

I know I should be ecstatic (and in many ways I am very proud of my state today). But the thing is, I'd been thinking deep thinky thoughts on gay marriage and politics and religion and the unholy mix of the two. And I figured, the NY legislature being the way it is, I had at least another week to find time to get them written out before this all became old news.

Anyway, nicely done!


Jun. 26th, 2011 10:53 am (UTC)
I am perhaps an atypical Christian in that I don't view monogamous homosexuality as a sin. (I simply don't think it's what the Bible is talking about, based on my own study.) This is an area where my views have evolved over the last several years, though, so I try to allow for good-faith disagreements. It's possible I still don't have it right, and even if I do, if I'm allowed to grow into the truth others should be as well.

A friend of mine on LJ, a former medieval history professor (now a university librarian) once told me that marriage had not always been a sacrament - that up until the high medieval period (1200s?) marriage was viewed as a contract between families rather than a sacrament. I have always wanted to look into the history of this because I think it would be interesting. The problem is I haven't yet found good resources that aren't obviously politically skewed. I'd love to read a good scholarly treatment of how the word "marriage" was used in antiquity and the medieval period, to see if Christians are right to lay claim to it (or if the Christians were in their turn coopting a word that was already used secularly).

In either case I do agree that precision of language is crucial and would be happy to have the state offer one certification to all monogamous couples who sought it, and the church offering a completely different ceremony. I know in some cultures the word "marriage" can do double duty. (In Germany I remember the people I know used the same German word for the ceremony at the Standesamt - what we would call the justice of the peace - and for a church ceremony; in English they were usually called civil marriage and church marriage.) But if I honestly thought the hold-up was linguistic, I would be more sympathetic. As you say, most people that talk about terminology seem to have toher motives at heart.

All of that said:

I appear to be the only person on the internet who thinks this is A Bad Idea - or maybe others, like me, are afraid of speaking out?

Contrary opinions are always welcome here. I appreciate that you make me think about my own position in more detail. Thanks!



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