Log in

No account? Create an account

Previous Entry | Next Entry

Richard Dawkins' a/theism scale

Over at FB, Hank Fox of the Blue Collar Atheist blog asked:

I'm curious ... where do different people fall? And why, if you know?

Personally, I'm a bit leery of Dawkins's scheme for dividing things up. It assumes there's evidence that makes it more or less probable that God exists, I'm not sure I accept that. (Acutally, I'm not sure about evidence full stop when it comes to God since that seems to apply God is understandable more than I think He is.) As I've grown up and decided what I believe for myself, I've become more and more agnostic, but not in the sense most people mean by agnostic. I'm one of those religious people who think that God is unknowable because if I could break down god into facts that would fit in my brain, the kind of Being I was thinking about wouldn't really be worthy of the name God. I still firmly believe God exists, but it's not some kind of propositional claim I believe because I know it's true. It involves faith, which is something else entirely. (I seesaw a bit on this, and sometimes I do believe I can prove God exists, but more and more I'm leaning in this direction as I figure out what I truly believe.) All of that means I don't think it's more or less likely God exists - that implies the kind of evidence you could be wrong about.

But if you pushed me and let me put aside that concern, I'd say I'm a "two" (de facto theist) or a "three" (weak theist) depending on what I'm going through on RL. This is mostly about my mental state; sometimes the problem of evil seems more real --psychologically, not rationally-- than at other times. Rationally, I have answers to that problem that are more or less convincing (to me). But emotionally? Sometimes belief or faith or whatever you want to call it is a struggle. Actually, believing God is good is much harder than believing God is.



( 8 comments — Leave a comment )
Sep. 3rd, 2012 03:46 am (UTC)
Not that you probably haven't already figured this out, but I'd say I'm a 6.
Sep. 3rd, 2012 03:54 am (UTC)
That's what I would have guessed, but it's good to know. Thanks.
Sep. 3rd, 2012 04:01 am (UTC)
I'm a 6. There is no evidence for the existence of a god, therefore there is no reason to believe there is one; however, I cannot prove that there is no god, so I can't say I'm a 7.
Sep. 3rd, 2012 04:17 am (UTC)
One of Hank's friends at FB said he was a six but "approaching seven asymptotically" - basically as "hard" an atheist as he could be without crossing into seven, which he considered impossible. I thought that was a good description of what a lot of my atheist friends seen to think.

We actually had a good discussion of why I thought type-seven was impossible, available at https://www.facebook.com/hankfox if you're interested.
Sep. 3rd, 2012 04:18 am (UTC)
I tend to fall between 1 and 3, mostly I'd say for the same reasons as you-- I'm only human and feelings can sometimes get in the way of faith.

And I also agree with you about the idea that a God who IS God is unknowable by our puny minds.

There are times, though, when my belief in God and His goodness is rock solid, and praise and thanks fill my heart. When I find myself in those "3" times, I try to remember that.
Sep. 3rd, 2012 04:42 am (UTC)
I am definitely a #1. As to why that is, I suppose it starts with my upbringing, but most of it is just personal experience throughout my life (in both good and very difficult situations) confirming to me what I have always believed and had faith in. :-)
Sep. 4th, 2012 12:32 am (UTC)
I see myself as a 2 or 3 like you.
Sep. 4th, 2012 01:12 pm (UTC)
( 8 comments — Leave a comment )



Latest Month

October 2019


Powered by LiveJournal.com
Designed by Tiffany Chow